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		<title>More on Commenting</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe Loong</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Note that the title is a homophonic phrase that stays valid, even in milk.)
Here&#8217;s a followup to my post, This Entry Is Full of Silent Failure (incidentally, one of my more favorite headlines) &#8212; I got a Facebook message from a reader who pointed out that this blog included some silent failure of its own: [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Note that the title is a homophonic phrase that stays valid, even in milk.)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a followup to my post, <a href="../2009/this-entry-full-of-silent-failure/">This Entry Is Full of Silent Failure</a> (incidentally, one of my more favorite headlines) &#8212; I got a Facebook message from a reader who pointed out that this blog included some silent failure of its own:  When commenters submit their comments, they&#8217;re held for moderation, so the comments don&#8217;t show up immediately. However, we didn&#8217;t have a notice to that effect, so to would-be commenters, it looked like an actual posting problem &#8212; sssshh, silent failure.</p>
<p>I passed this along to Shashi, so now there&#8217;s notice telling people about the post moderation (along with <a href="http://blog.networksolutions.com/terms/" target="_blank">this blog&#8217;s terms of use</a>), just above the comment field, which should help a little bit.</p>
<p>Now, from what we know of <a href="http://www.useit.com/alertbox/participation_inequality.html" target="_blank">participation inequality</a>, it&#8217;s usually hard enough to get people to comment (unless you&#8217;re YouTube and your problem is <a href="http://xkcd.com/481/" target="_blank">too many morons</a>) so you want to make sure you&#8217;re not putting up unnecessary barriers that drive people away from commenting.</p>
<p>Here are a few other thoughts about how you can make commenting easier and better for your readers and yourself (noting full well that I&#8217;m in a glass house throwing stones, though I&#8217;ve made a few suggestions to the team on how we can improve the commenting here).</p>
<p><strong>* </strong><strong>Registration:</strong> Let&#8217;s face it &#8212; requiring registration to comment is a fact of life. (Especially for higher trafficked blogs. Thank you, spammers and trolls.) The problem is that there&#8217;s a difference between requiring a valid e-mail address, and making people register for yet another account, with another password I&#8217;m going to forget immediately (unless I do what I&#8217;m not supposed to do and use the same password all over the place).</p>
<p>Theoretically, this is where Open ID would really shine, although it&#8217;s still not living up to its promise. We&#8217;re seeing some comment registration portability by platform (register once and your WordPress or Blogger identity carries across the network), but there are still a lot of one-off blog registrations, especially on news sites.</p>
<p>I tell you, I have to be really motivated to register for Yet Another Blog Commenting System. Though this is also mitigated by&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>* Centralized commenting systems:</strong> Not only do comment aggregation and centralization services  (like <a href="http://disqus.com" target="_blank">Disqus</a>, which we use here) help reduce the need for one-off registrations, but they also help take fragmented conversations, siloed in disparate blogs, and turn them into a more unified conversations. Theoretically, anyway &#8212; there&#8217;s a lot of room for improvement here.</p>
<p>Related (and available as a separate set of tools are)&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>* Comment tracking: </strong>When you get notified when someone replies to your comment, it helps close the conversational loop. <a href="http://www.cocomment.com/" target="_blank">coComment</a> and <a href="http://commentful.blogflux.com/" target="_blank">Commentful</a> are services available to users, though even with browser extensions or bookmarklets, it&#8217;s up to the user to remember to use them. (I still forget to track my comments with annoying regularity.)</p>
<p>More and more, though, we&#8217;re seeing blog and other Web publishing platforms provide the built-in option to notify commenters via e-mail when there&#8217;s a reply. It helps turn one-way postings (à la guestbooks) into something more like two-way discussions.</p>
<p><strong>* Comment activity indicators:</strong> The benefit to this are pretty straightforward: No one likes talking to an empty room, so things like comment counts and recently posted comments help show where people are talking.<strong><br />
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<p><strong>* Comment preview:</strong> Different commenting systems allow different things. Some accept HTML tags (like &lt;b&gt;&lt;/b&gt; and &lt;i&gt;&lt;/i&gt;), some don&#8217;t; others automatically turn URLs into hyperlinks; others don&#8217;t allow anything except plain text. If you don&#8217;t have the ability to preview comments, you run the risk of looking like a n00b because your HTML link code is visible (oh, and also broke your link). People generally don&#8217;t like looking dumb.</p>
<p>Like I always say, a blog that doesn&#8217;t allow commenting isn&#8217;t a blog, it&#8217;s just kind of blog-ish. Even though accepting comments opens a whole lot of headaches, they&#8217;re still valuable and part of what makes the platform so valuable, so it <em>behooves</em> us to make the commenting process as smooth and as valuable as possible.</p>
<p>Got your own thoughts about improving the commenting experience? Please feel free to&#8230; leave a comment. (Duh.)</p>
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		<title>Groups, Good Leaders and Bad Apples</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Joe Loong</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Over the holiday drive, I was catching up on some podcast episodes of the PRI radio show, This American Life. (In addition to a couple of episodes from WNYC&#8217;s Radiolab.)
The theme of this particular episode, Ruining It for the Rest of Us, was bad apples &#8212; people who spoil things for other people. The prologue [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the holiday drive, I was catching up on some podcast episodes of the <a href="http://www.pri.org/" target="_blank">PRI</a> radio show, <em><a href="http://www.thislife.org/" target="_blank">This American Life</a></em>. (In addition to a couple of episodes from WNYC&#8217;s <a href="http://www.wnyc.org/shows/radiolab/" target="_blank">Radiolab</a>.)</p>
<p>The theme of this particular episode, <a id="f5um" title="Ruining It for the Rest of Us" href="http://thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1275">Ruining It for the Rest of Us</a>, was bad apples &#8212; people who spoil things for other people. The prologue featured an experiment by <a href="http://www.rsm.nl/home/faculty/academic_departments/organisation_and_personnel_management/faculty/faculty/felps" target="_blank">Dr. Will Felps</a>, a professor at the <a href="http://www.rsm.nl/" target="_blank">Rotterdam School of Management</a>, who wanted to see what would happen to the productivity of a group when faced with a bad apple &#8212; in this case, a planted actor who exhibited one of three toxic behaviors: being a big <strong>jerk</strong> (generally nasty and sarcastic), a <strong>slacker</strong> (not pulling their own weight), or a <strong>depressive pessimist</strong> (a negative Nancy, a nattering nabob of negatism).</p>
<p>As it happens, the negative individual &#8212; the bad apple &#8212; was consistently able to spoil the bunch, causing his groups to be much less productive than the control groups.</p>
<p>Although this makes sense to me (don&#8217;t we all know a co-worker from hell who poisoned the workplace well?), apparently, this isn&#8217;t supposed to happen &#8212; studies on group dynamics seem to think that individuals will be changed by groups, rather than the other way around.</p>
<p>There was one exception to the bad apple spoiling the bunch &#8212; in one group, there was a <strong>good leader:</strong> someone who, just by asking questions and listening to people, was able to counteract the bad apple and keep the group on course.</p>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t want to read too much into this one study (most of which you can see here: &#8220;<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=RKkxJnn73UoC&amp;pg=PA175&amp;lpg=PA175&amp;dq=will+felps&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=yry00xXHs6&amp;sig=mWJHNN_HtaJM8m50E6MJvjG2PrY&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=7&amp;ct=result#PPA175,M1" target="_blank">How, When, and Why Bad Apples Spoil the Barrel: Negative Group Members and Dysfunctional Groups</a>&#8220;), especially because it plays into the conceits of social media and community management types. I think we tend to overestimate the power of leadership and moderation in shaping the culture of a community, and the whole idea of conversation influencing groups just makes us *swoon*.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s a useful data point.</p>
<p>Problematic as they are offline, bad apples can even worse online. Online communities are usually bigger; depending on how the group has formed, you might not have had prior dealings with other members; you lose nonverbal cues; and it&#8217;s generally easier to be nasty to someone online &#8212; especially when you throw in anonymity.</p>
<p>Plus, if you&#8217;ve ever dealt with a bad actor online (a troll or flamer), you know how it&#8217;s easy to get drowned out. Online, one person can shout down a group, whereas offline, it&#8217;s usually the other way around. For example, a comment thread has passed the point of any usefulness when the people left in the conversation are all arguing with one person. When you see this, you know it&#8217;s time to go (mostly because all the normal people have dropped out.)</p>
<p>You do have some advantages dealing with bad apples online &#8211;  there are tools to filter and ignore, or even moderate and ban, bad actors. And if it&#8217;s a conversation space that you control (nominally), you can at least lay out the guidelines and try to set a good example &#8212; even control membership. (Though use too heavy of a hand and that&#8217;s a whole &#8216;nother problem.)</p>
<p>Anyway, if you&#8217;ve got your own stories about or strategies for dealing with bad apples in a group, please feel free to share in the comments.</p>
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